tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post6429803946661948412..comments2024-02-03T06:01:53.090-08:00Comments on Noe Valley SF: Fowling Noe ValleyNoe Valley, SFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09996607013124379881noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-90699004743217575012009-03-10T15:27:00.000-07:002009-03-10T15:27:00.000-07:00Sorry, but pretty much all of you are wrong... exc...Sorry, but pretty much all of you are wrong... except maybe those who said something along the lines of judging Noe Valley by one family is stupid. <BR/>Of course I didn't read everything... but good god I read so many stupid things in these posts I couldn't read through everything. <BR/>Noe Valley is a lot of things. There are snobs and yuppies, as well as perfectly nice families and old-timers. I guess Noe is more of a "new money" hood, but I don't think they act a whole lot different than old money. Except whoever said that San Franciscans are obsessed with hating LA must only be dealing with the old money types. I'm from OC (probably worse than LA if you're juding by this imaginary scale) and been in SF for 12 years. Still haven't had a single person apologize even though I've been expecting it since I moved here. <BR/>People are full of crap and like to believe they already know all they need to know about others. That's why shows like Wifeswap do well and that's why the creators wanted this family on there. They made them fit this perfect little stereotype, and everybody enjoys bashing them. <BR/>I sure hope all the haters are as perfect as they believe they are!<BR/>Stop watching so damn much TV and go pay attention to your own family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-89263607068267517592009-03-04T11:28:00.000-08:002009-03-04T11:28:00.000-08:00Clarification is badly needed for some posters who...Clarification is badly needed for some posters who do not understand the Bay Area, or California. NOE VALLEY is not an "Elite" section of San Francisco. Owning a home in Presidio Heights? Yes! Noe Valley? No! If most Americans knew the living conditions in S.F. they would pity, not be in awe of the city. It is DIRTY. The traffic in a NIGHTMARE. The HOMELESS problem is one of the nation's most egregious. The weather SUCKS! <BR/><BR/>I know. I lived in Pacific Heights and in the Marina District for 6 years. (Both highly superior neighborhoods to Noe Valley.) Noe Valley is not elite. NOT BY CALIFORNIA STANDARDS! These people are only considered "wealthy" (hate that word) by the average American not residing on either coasts. Most of you would never want to raise your kids there. No yards. CRIME! <BR/><BR/>After my husband finished his residency, we relocated to San Diego five years ago. Yes, it is very expensive to live where we do. But S.F. for all the little things that are wonderful, is not a great place to live, unless you are 25 years old.<BR/><BR/>You all sound foolish to keep harping on the "S.F. elite." Ever been to Santa Monica in Los Angeles? There is the liberal, rich, elite. Noe Valley is Fringe!<BR/><BR/>No real family with "family" money and old, well-placed connections living in S.F. would ever (EVER) do that reality show, nor would they live anywhere near Noe Valley! <BR/><BR/>I hope this helps. Get over Noe Valley. It is cheesy and fake, like the family who went on Wife Swap. Blame "New Money" who think they are "rich" for the atrocious attitudes you saw on display. Old money does not behave that way, and does not appear on REALITY TV!!!<BR/><BR/>Besides, in this economy, the kind of people who live in Noe Valley are probably a few months away from losing their home, all their savings, or both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-48915595019633192542009-03-04T08:43:00.000-08:002009-03-04T08:43:00.000-08:00I have to confess, this Stephen Fowler issue has r...I have to confess, this Stephen Fowler issue has reinforced stereotypes of San Franciscans, whether they like it or not, as well as liberals, environmentalists, elitists, and wealthy people from California.<BR/><BR/>These stereotypes seem to take root a number of ways -- sometimes by misrepresentation by others, but often, due to an above-average amount of consistent behavior from the group being stereotyped.<BR/><BR/>I hate to say it, but this isn't the first time we've seen people from that locale on wife swap. There was an episode a couple years ago where a health-conscious California family swapped with an overweight family from another part of the country. The husband and wife portrayed the same kind of arrogance, but this time, about their favored life in good-weather California, as well as their health consciousness.<BR/><BR/>I lived among the wealthy in California too, and while there were a lot of people who were very humble and kind, yet wealthy, there was a huge amount of arrogance like I'd never seen before.<BR/><BR/>I think San Fransican and Californians in general (at least, the wealthy ones) will have to deal with the stereotypes these shows, and the above-average arrogance level of that area, are reinforcing.<BR/><BR/>Again, not everyone is like that, but the area certainly is getting the stigma. That episode of SouthPark on StephenFowlerSucks.com was all about satire regarding liberal elitists in San Francisco.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-51408085584352203092009-03-03T19:40:00.000-08:002009-03-03T19:40:00.000-08:00I refuse to post anonymously; my face and my name ...I refuse to post anonymously; my face and my name are proudly attached to this message. In fact, it is repeated on my blog.<BR/><BR/>Most of the rest of California looks on and considers SF and its appendage Santa Cruz as one might contemplate a zoo primate house. The people in those exotic, alien environs reside in a self-contained, delusional bubble of egotism. Barely regarding the rest of the USA as being of the same species--let alone their fellow citizens--these xenophobes are indeed legends in their own minds.<BR/><BR/>Thanks to ABC and a program I have never watched, what has been heretofore remained mostly secreted behind a glitzy but tattered curtain of limousine liberal hypocrisy has been exposed far more adroitly than a Limbaugh, Hannity, or Coulter could have ever imagined. And thanks to the Internet, the story will never die.<BR/><BR/>What two adults have done to lower themselves as human beings, all the while turning cartwheels in their minds in self-congratulation for having achieved such "superior" status, is in the end their own choices. They themselves are doomed to life with themselves. However, what they have done and are doing to their children is comparable to a crack addict pimping their offspring for the next fix.<BR/><BR/>At least the therapists will be kept occupied when the Fowler kids come of age.Sharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18016454700150377204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-7683410224323134552009-03-03T11:36:00.000-08:002009-03-03T11:36:00.000-08:00Normaly i do not watch wife swap - but that night ...Normaly i do not watch wife swap - but that night it caught my eyes and ears not because of stephen thats right because of Renee - i was thinking what a self absorbed self important wanker... then her husband came on - and it was so bad i had to turn it off. <BR/><BR/>I hope they both can get some real help. Not the kind you see on her website where people come in to say it was all him and this too shall pass type stuff. With real help they could perhaps learn to live with real compasion for other human beings with true love for others. <BR/><BR/>We all have the duty to live with compassion and speak out... not against others .. but for living with compassionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-70937770364268990122009-03-01T15:29:00.000-08:002009-03-01T15:29:00.000-08:00What some posters do not understand about San Fran...What some posters do not understand about San Francisco, Noe Valley in particular, is this: The truly Rich, the "Old Money" does not reside (with some exceptions) in this section of the city. Noe Valley is the eptiome of "Pseudo-Bourgeoisie." Meaning people living beyond their means, who have as neighbors, the type of vulgarians who would appear on an excruciatingly lowbrow, sleazy reality program. Needed that 50K for the kid's tuition, Mr. Fowler? <BR/><BR/>To those of you who are not famaliar with the Bay Area, the "Real-Rich" live outside of the city in green, beautiful small towns like Woodside, Hillsborough, and many others on the Pennisula, in the East Bay, and of course Marin- Mill Valley etc. <BR/><BR/>Don't be fooled into thinking Noe Valley is anything special. It's not. It's a Wannabe- like the Fowler Family. Wannabe- Intellectuals, Wannabe-Cultured, and so on. <BR/>If you lived here you would know, and you would have a good laugh at Noe Valley. It's not a mere coincidence that somebody like Mr. and Mrs. Fowler live in Noe Valley, as they typify the neighborhood pretty well, perhaps with the "crazy" amped up higher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-28443871765874804722009-02-26T09:50:00.000-08:002009-02-26T09:50:00.000-08:00I would STRONGLY disagree with you. This topic is ...I would STRONGLY disagree with you. This topic is most certainly worth our time. If you see an evil and you don't denounce it, you are part of the problem. Okay, this isn't as big an issue as Darfur. But don't most genocide and atrocities begin when someone decides one "set" of people is better than another and justifies belittling and abusing them? This is exactly what Fowler did.<BR/><BR/>He has played into all the horrible stereotypes of liberals, San Franciscans, environmentalists, Brit ex-pats and you name it that are spouted daily by hate mongers such as Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly. If you don't stand and condemn his actions -- and offer apologies and clarification, you let his actions stand with what appears to be tacit approval.<BR/><BR/>He has set so many important causes so far. We San Franciscans like to believe we are positive examples of tolerance, International thinking and environmental awareness. This is a time when we should be reaching out -- in a positive and inclusive way -- to exactly the people Fowler insulted. Instead, I now fear, the "face" of environmentalism and Liberalism will be, for many, the sneering smirk of Stephen Fowler.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-87244434168379003842009-02-23T18:43:00.000-08:002009-02-23T18:43:00.000-08:00Hmmm...was the post above written by Stephen Fowle...Hmmm...was the post above written by Stephen Fowler?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-62854131773201456932009-02-22T19:27:00.000-08:002009-02-22T19:27:00.000-08:00Hey Floridian--this is for you. San Franciscans ar...Hey Floridian--this is for you. San Franciscans are not hallucinating about the city's geography. If you did not notice any hills and valleys when you were here, perhaps you were hallucinating and you were actually in Sacramento!<BR/><BR/>Wikipedia<BR/>24th and Castro<BR/>The topographic layout is actually two main valleys. One flows from the Clipper / 22nd/ Grandview area down 24th / Jersey to Church, and the other flows from the 27th /Diamond / 30th area down Day to Church where it meets the first valley; the conjoined valleys then both exit the Noe Valley district. This makes the hilly area relatively dry, and the soil resistant to earthquake liquefaction. Most houses up the hills sit directly on bed rock as can be seen at Douglass Park (bare red rock - radiolarian chert). Traffic flow is limited - one main North access through Castro Street to Eureka Valley, one main West access up Clipper Street toward the former Twin Peaks toll plaza and West of the city, several East accesses to Mission through 24th, Cesar Chavez and other numbered streets, and the main North-South Church Street access used by the J Church Muni Light Rail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-77331133194651798722009-02-22T18:32:00.000-08:002009-02-22T18:32:00.000-08:00I was appalled by the opening comment posted by wh...I was appalled by the opening comment posted by whoever puts the news on the front page of this Noe Valley site. <BR/><BR/>The comment that I found surprising was "this isn't worth our time".<BR/><BR/>I agree with the two others who have posted so far indicating that "it's not worth our time" is another shade of the elitist, "I'm better than you" attitude we saw in Stephen Fowler. <BR/><BR/>Shame on the Noe Valley blogspot authors who devote a whole news spot to this, dissasociating themself with the Fowlers, and then indicating the whole thing "is not worth their time".<BR/><BR/>Like most people I'm wondering if the arrogance and elitism displayed by Stephen Fowler really is Stephen Fowlers (and the Noe Valley's) majority of attitudes.<BR/><BR/>I believe it is, given some other people I've met from the Bay area, as well as the way he came out with so many arrogant comments with such lightening speed. Whether openly expressed or not off the Wife Swap show, I think one has to have been thinking of such nasty comments throughout the course of a normal day to be so consistent and so fast with them, and to NOT see the implications of what he was really saying. <BR/><BR/>I think Stephen Fowler's been given a great check in his way of thinking about the world and others. And I think all others in Noe Valley that silently hold those attitudes should learn a lesson -- who cares about your intelligence, your wealth, your international perspective, your fast-tracking successful children, and your high-minded environmentalism, if you're cruel and abusive to others.<BR/><BR/>Shame on Stephen Fowler and all those who think like him!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-37962224372320168532009-02-22T15:02:00.000-08:002009-02-22T15:02:00.000-08:00I agree that Renee is as mentally unstable as Step...I agree that Renee is as mentally unstable as Stephen. The sad fact is that their children don't stand a chance of normalcy the way they are being raised. Hopefully, the kids WILL escape the parents when they are old enough to do so. I had a friend whose parents were complete a-holes and when he left for college, that was it--he never ever returned--he spent his entire childhood being humiliated by the same type of parents as the Fowlers. My friend never looked back--for the kids sake, I hope they someday move far, far away from this pair---it will be interesting to see how lovely their lives will be now that they have exposed their true selves to the entire world. I wish CPS could intervene, but CA would never step up and take these kids because you cannot PROVE abuse--we just all know that they ARE being mentally abused---sad, sad, sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-2173071168796420252009-02-22T14:05:00.000-08:002009-02-22T14:05:00.000-08:00OK. So it's universally agreed upon that Mr. Fowle...OK. So it's universally agreed upon that Mr. Fowler is an asshat and a cruel, unstable man. <BR/>Why isn't the CRAZY WIFE RENEE getting grief from you posters as well? She does not like to be around her kids, she is condescending and neurotic to the point of caricature, and every person I know who has "Trained" to be some kind of Life-Coach is the last person in the world who should be doling out advise of any kind to anyone. <BR/>She is not simply suffering from guilt by association, she is AS GUILTY as Mr. Fowler of the same hateful, arrogant (with nothing whatsoever to back it up) crimes against her fellow humankind. She is a stain on the reputations of women and mother's everywhere. Renee, DON'T put yourself out there as a coach of anything, (You've already torpedoed your "business") Just "seek professional help" along with your Hubbie. You two will be a shrink's dream come true. They will have a field day, as will the child-shrink that has to patch up your poor children, I mean accessories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-66133136694399615682009-02-21T21:57:00.000-08:002009-02-21T21:57:00.000-08:00I'm a Bay Area native, and I have lived not only a...I'm a Bay Area native, and I have lived not only all around our lovely area but also hundreds of miles away in a town of 7,000. I have several university degrees (including UC Berkely). My IQ may be about 10 points below Fowler's but I'm smart enough to know that what goes around, comes around. And for what it's worth, I don't like SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-27457404518966321342009-02-21T20:26:00.000-08:002009-02-21T20:26:00.000-08:00Answer: Pathetic Poseurs. Speaks volumes about Noe...Answer: Pathetic Poseurs. Speaks volumes about Noe Valley, wouldn't you say?<BR/><BR/>No. Speaks volumes about Stephen Fowler. Nothing more, nothing less.murphstahoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17378354136823393492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-3288410319333216602009-02-21T15:33:00.000-08:002009-02-21T15:33:00.000-08:00Riddle Me This: Why would these two dolts go on a ...Riddle Me This: Why would these two dolts go on a low-rent, cheesy reality show if they are indeed as educated and highbrow as they would present themselves to the world?<BR/><BR/>Answer: Pathetic Poseurs. Speaks volumes about Noe Valley, wouldn't you say? <BR/>Guess what Mr. Fowler? Nobody I have ever known would even consider appearing, let alone watching these types of shows. YOU actually did, causing great damage to your children, your wife (already damaged) and your career.<BR/><BR/>You sir, should really consider a move to the Midwest or the South. They love reality television there, so you'd fit right in.<BR/><BR/>EFFETE POSEUR!!<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>Isabella<BR/>Santa BarbaraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-75814624357500227492009-02-21T14:44:00.000-08:002009-02-21T14:44:00.000-08:00The irony about Noe Valley and all the "Stepford" ...The irony about Noe Valley and all the "Stepford" enclaves just like it in San Francisco is that they love to live under the delusion that they are unique, special, different.<BR/><BR/>Wrong, oh so wrong. You are as "Stepford" as Darien, CT. Deal with it. <BR/>To refer to you as Insular is an epic understatement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-28057163076789027402009-02-21T00:56:00.000-08:002009-02-21T00:56:00.000-08:00The Fowler's are pathological, without question. I...The Fowler's are pathological, without question. I truly fear for those children AND anyone who gets involved with them when they get older. They already should be in extensive therapy, to start the process of minimizing the damage inflicted on them by having the bad luck of being the offspring of not one, but TWO mentally-ill adults.<BR/><BR/>A note- I live in Pasadena, CA. I have degree's from Berkeley and St. Mary's. More times than I can count, when asked where I was from, upon hearing Southern California, I would be met with the response "Oh, I'm so sorry." All of Northern Cal is like that. L.A. does not give a tinker's damn about S.F. but they are so insecure that they even have a snotty rivalry with the second biggest city in the country- a city in California! A city filled with liberals! Inferiority Complex, line one!<BR/><BR/>I loved the time I spent there; but then again, in your twenties, you are able to let obnoxious comments slide of your back with relative ease. As an adult, I think S.F. has the reputation it wholly deserves.<BR/>Noe Valley wasn't even on the map 15 years ago. Now they are a national joke. Way to go!<BR/>I cringe in embarrassment for them and their state of complete denial. <BR/>The Foul Fowler's are everywhere, but especially in the Bay Area, from Lafayette to Los Altos Hills. <BR/>The sickest thing? They secretly love it....Trust me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-38243758076873466082009-02-21T00:15:00.000-08:002009-02-21T00:15:00.000-08:00Arrrrghh people, look - this a-hole is not like ev...Arrrrghh people, look - this a-hole is not like everyone in Noe Valley or SF or California! Jesus! This has gotten out of hand. It's like saying everyone from Alabama is an illiterate pig farmer who fucks his sister. ENOUGH ALREADY. Just stop with the generalizations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-38442918635271731322009-02-20T21:20:00.000-08:002009-02-20T21:20:00.000-08:00What a pathetic little twit. I feel really sorry ...What a pathetic little twit. I feel really sorry for his children, who are already looking like they're a little damaged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-3331997345650544722009-02-20T21:17:00.000-08:002009-02-20T21:17:00.000-08:00Ok i am from Chicago and dare i say we have just a...Ok i am from Chicago and dare i say we have just as much "Culture" if not more than San Fran, as i have visited your city many many times. Living in the Midwest, i was offended by the remarks of Mr. Fowler but at the same time what do you expect from such a nit wit peon from Noe Valley? I mean this place breeds this kind of thinking. You see if he was from Chicago and talked like that he probably wouldn't be around anymore. But would that be such a bad thing??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-81289123890411460072009-02-20T21:15:00.000-08:002009-02-20T21:15:00.000-08:00Just another elitist liberal snob who looks down o...Just another elitist liberal snob who looks down on others... who thinks his belief set is the only way and finds fault with all of the things that make America great.<BR/><BR/>Stephen Fowler thinks trees and recycling and alternative fuel sources are far more worthy of his consideration than the human being in front of him.<BR/><BR/>He is the narrowminded ignorant bigot whose ideas I fear, not 'backwards' midwestern values.<BR/><BR/>Didn't Barack Obama get himself into a bit of trouble when he attacked small town Americans? He called them 'bitter' and said that they 'cling to their guns and their bibles.'<BR/><BR/>It's all come down to urban vs. not-urban conflict in politics.<BR/><BR/>The liberals think they are so much smarter and thus better than the rest of us.<BR/><BR/>People are what you should be hugging... not trees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-24203809573697463242009-02-20T20:05:00.000-08:002009-02-20T20:05:00.000-08:00Stephen Fowler is what you get when you combine le...Stephen Fowler is what you get when you combine leftist with snobs. And Noe Valley is full of these people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-40737514865994605212009-02-20T08:44:00.000-08:002009-02-20T08:44:00.000-08:00Just another reason to hate liberal douche bags.Just another reason to hate liberal douche bags.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-83484666354400713142009-02-19T16:44:00.000-08:002009-02-19T16:44:00.000-08:00K. Ferguson, how dare you say that you took strand...K. Ferguson, how dare you say that you took stranded people in and fed and sheltered them?! <BR/>I remember that blizzard back in 1977, on January 21. My parents and I were traveling though Buffalo and were stranded. Of course the wonderful people of Buffalo came out, ushered us into their homes, and then proceeded to murder and rob my parents. Ultimately eating their bodies over the next week! I was kept alive and survived only because the roads were cleared and they were able to get to the Quick Stop for some snacks.<BR/>This more than anything else is what I despise about the effete snobs who occupy these geographical areas. They begin eating other humans after one day of hardship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-4358954104623360452009-02-19T13:11:00.000-08:002009-02-19T13:11:00.000-08:00If I can comment on the opening comment here that ...If I can comment on the opening comment here that the Stephen and Renee Fowler attitudes and behaviors are "not really worth our time..."<BR/><BR/>That statement itself smacks of the same arrogance we've seen from Stephen Fowler. His behavior has hit a nerve with America in general -- and should be worth your time, unless of course, you think you're better than everyone else.<BR/><BR/>A common thread with arrogant people, I've found, is a tendency to make the whole world feel they aren't good enough to absorb any of the arrogant person's time.<BR/><BR/>I think a better response to your association with this man given your geographic proximity, would be to let the world know that this is definitely worth your time, that it serves as a lesson to the "upper ranks" of American society, and how it educates us about what it means to be a truly well-educated person. Or at least some other reasoned statement as to why his behavior should be looked at carefully by others who enjoy his life circumstances.<BR/><BR/>Categorizing people of perceived lower rank is a deadly step toward all kinds of things which certainly do not make the world a better place -- discrimmination, racism, and as we've seen in modern history -- even genocide.<BR/><BR/>While I don't see Stephen's actions suggesting genocide is on the horizon, I do see his attitudes and actions as the sort of things we need to curtail as an englightened society that is "evolving" as Renee put it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com