tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post5882101026364893403..comments2024-02-03T06:01:53.090-08:00Comments on Noe Valley SF: Noe Valley Plaza: Tea Party Filibuster Hijacks Community MeetingNoe Valley, SFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09996607013124379881noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-19368716876430367022012-04-26T12:35:39.228-07:002012-04-26T12:35:39.228-07:00Noe Valley Pizza, Cosmic Wizard, Mi Lindo Yucatan,...Noe Valley Pizza, Cosmic Wizard, Mi Lindo Yucatan, Kookez, City Grill, Bistro 24, Twin Peaks Properties, Urban Nest, Ladybug Ladybug, Cooks Blvd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-46636755022959079712012-04-26T11:26:39.043-07:002012-04-26T11:26:39.043-07:00I am very glad to see Tuggey's hardware going ...I am very glad to see Tuggey's hardware going out of business. We should boycott all the anti-park businesses until we can get a group of more family friendly crowd on 24th Street.<br /><br />What other businesses were opposed to the park? Help me create a list here guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-797424182866021682010-07-15T11:50:57.280-07:002010-07-15T11:50:57.280-07:00The hooligans win.The hooligans win.murphstahoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17378354136823393492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-37462949417668025672010-07-12T23:24:46.674-07:002010-07-12T23:24:46.674-07:00This is why we can't have nice things.This is why we can't have nice things.Jim Ausmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12293926257741923075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-57263789354403542132010-07-10T07:54:45.493-07:002010-07-10T07:54:45.493-07:00=v= UNruffle. The Noe Valley Voice is in the feat...=v= UNruffle. The <i>Noe Valley Voice</i> is in the feather-UNruffling business. D'oh!Jymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15675802996264542565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-66887958998237236002010-07-10T07:50:40.777-07:002010-07-10T07:50:40.777-07:00=v= I'm amused that anyone could possibly be m...=v= I'm amused that anyone could possibly be more concerned about the incivility of some label than of the behavior captured on the video.<br /><br />People like this are an embarrassment, and it is an inadvertent public service when one of them puts up a video to show themselves in action, and show how much they <i>don't</i> represent the rest of us. Before the YouTube era, our usual source for this sort of information has been the <i>NVV</i>, which can be counted on to ruffle a few feathers.<br /><br />In the past, when the With Friends Like These Who Needs Enemies? of Noe Valley crowd said that handicapped ramps can should be relocated to the bottom of the hill to preserve car parking, or that the mosaics at the Muni stop are too "ethnic," it was recounted as if part of a congenial conversation. The type you might have at another type of tea party.<br /><br />Here, we see the unmediated truth, replete with the teabonics popup text comments.Jymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15675802996264542565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-76074969448977044672010-07-10T00:13:35.728-07:002010-07-10T00:13:35.728-07:00Rocky's Dad, would you agree that the behavior...Rocky's Dad, would you agree that the behavior in the video above is out of line? If so, maybe we can agree to call these folks garden-variety assholes and proceed to ignore them?<br /><br />If you don't agree, then Tea Party seems like a perfectly apt descriptor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-25551369957744292732010-07-09T16:04:25.652-07:002010-07-09T16:04:25.652-07:00Murph stop using those words if RC agrees to stop ...Murph stop using those words if RC agrees to stop calling supporters of the plaza hipsters or newly-transplanted suburbanites since those terms are simply used to distract or enflame the discussion at hand.<br /><br />On the other hand, hipsters really do have a reputation for liking parklets and Tea Partiers do have a reputation for screaming very loudly at their opposition.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-75911665368612621302010-07-09T15:41:58.711-07:002010-07-09T15:41:58.711-07:00I think I just threw up.I think I just threw up.murphstahoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17378354136823393492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-5257856492802903272010-07-09T15:39:31.752-07:002010-07-09T15:39:31.752-07:00Ok murph: we get it. you're doing some homewor...Ok murph: we get it. you're doing some homework, some research..checking data. that's all fine and good.<br /><br />But PLEASE..stop using the words Tea Party in any part of the discussion and dialogue..<br /><br />It's offensive, it's stupid..it serves no purpose other than to inflame even more. You know better.<br /><br />We can disagree on and on, and I'm ok with that. But, stop using those words. Please.rocky's dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15629117858374059974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-8681617554143385522010-07-09T14:20:55.057-07:002010-07-09T14:20:55.057-07:00cr and I met with Rebecca for an hour, the day bef...cr and I met with Rebecca for an hour, the day before the Tea Party, at her invitation. I should be careful with repeating anything out of turn, but I did leave with the impression that she had signed Joel's petition, but that was not representative of her current position.<br /><br />I have an email from Scott Wiener. I asked him the following question. <br /><br />"Scott - The Noe Valley Voice is calling me asking for the number of people that have signed the petition in support of the Noe Valley plaza, and she's digging and asking things like "have any of the D8 candidates signed". We have a privacy policy that we will not divulge the names to anyone other than basically Bevan, and only if he asks to see the names. I'd mention you did sign it if you felt that were "appropriate""<br /><br />Scott replied that yes, we could divulge that he signed our petition. I highly doubt Scott's position has changed. I did not speak to him at the Tea Party.<br /><br />I have an email from Rafael Mandelman on this topic as well. I have not asked his permission to reprint anything. At the first meeting he stated that we needed to do more investigation into how the immediate neighbors felt about the project, and he has not publically changed that position. I chatted with him briefly at the Tea Party, only to confirm that I owed him a phone call.<br /><br />I have not talked to William Hemenger. Or Starchild :)murphstahoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17378354136823393492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-91434027334257724782010-07-09T13:40:06.977-07:002010-07-09T13:40:06.977-07:00I spoke with Rebecca Prozan in person just last Sa...I spoke with Rebecca Prozan in person just last Saturday in front of the farmers market. She stated that she signed the no petition regarding the plaza, and, unless I'm mistaken still takes that position. She said nothing to me with regard to her changing her stance.<br /><br />She may have since then, but I'm not aware of that.rocky's dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15629117858374059974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-75625169313852882462010-07-09T13:19:16.401-07:002010-07-09T13:19:16.401-07:00cr---how do you know what the current position of ...cr---how do you know what the current position of any of the candidates for Supe? Have you talked to them recently, if at all? Maybe you can give each one a call and report back to us all what they tell you. You may be surprised!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-64837169881897199462010-07-09T12:56:59.031-07:002010-07-09T12:56:59.031-07:00There has been some concern that doing things like...There has been some concern that doing things like removing parking for a public space would damage businesses in the area. <br /><br />There is a new parklet at 22nd and Bartlett in the Mission. Two businesses nearby were in fact damaged by the parklet - because their rents were increased higher than they could sustain - which only happens if someone is willing to pay even more to get that retail space. <br /><br />Certainly it's too early to attribute the rent increase to the parklet, but if the parklet were making the space *less* attractive to retailers, the property manager - a certain "J J Panzer" would not be able to increase the rents.<br /><br />http://missionlocal.org/2010/07/changes-on-the-22nd-street-corridor/murphstahoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17378354136823393492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-63445964910837585162010-07-09T00:21:26.809-07:002010-07-09T00:21:26.809-07:00"second community meeting in July"
typo..."second community meeting in July"<br /><br />typo, I mean the June 30 meetingcrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-66372858048506213562010-07-09T00:19:46.668-07:002010-07-09T00:19:46.668-07:00Scott Wiener is for a plaza trial. He spoke in fav...Scott Wiener is for a plaza trial. He spoke in favor of a trial at the first community meeting in April, acknowledging the concerns of some residents but also stating unequivocally that he believes the plaza has the potential to be a great thing for Noe Valley and the trial deserves a shot. I have a lot of faith that if a trial goes forward with him in the supervisor seat, he will ensure that it's a fair process. He signed the "yes" petition at www.noevalleyplaza.com on the first day it was up. <br /><br />Rebecca Prozan originally signed the "no" petition after talking with a resident on the street. However, I believe she now supports a plaza trial. I think she's in the position that a lot of people are in signing the "no" petition. They were swayed by some residents fears, and they wanted to be sure that the concerns were heard. Now that we've had a few months of debate, now that we have some traffic stats as a baseline and a clear understanding of the process for how a trial would be evaluated, many folks are coming around to the conclusion that the possible benefits outweigh the fears of traffic and noise, and we should have a trial to see how it goes. I think Rebecca is one of these folks; I talked with her at the second community meeting in July, and she said she thinks things are moving in the right direction. (She missed the outburst at the beginning.) I'm not sure what her position is currently. Might be a thing to ask her at the next debate. <br /><br />Rafael Mandelman, to my knowledge, has not taken a public position.crnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-6534826464171624792010-07-08T21:27:41.690-07:002010-07-08T21:27:41.690-07:00What is the stance of the various candidates for S...What is the stance of the various candidates for Supervisor on the plaza?Jim Ausmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12293926257741923075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-51552235032411727122010-07-08T20:49:34.506-07:002010-07-08T20:49:34.506-07:00How come we haven't gotten SOMEONE to post the...How come we haven't gotten SOMEONE to post the Abbott Manifesto.<br /><br />And why aren't we soliciting private donations to save the life-saving jobs of the parks and recs guys, instead of buying a chunk of asphalt?<br /><br />Speaking of which - "How many parks and recs guys does it take to mow Noe Courts?" Answer - Three. One guy to drive the truck, one to open the gate, and one to mow the lawn.<br /><br />No - I'm not joking. I might have the roles wrong - but the numbers are correct.murphstahoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17378354136823393492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-62074880530224576302010-07-08T16:33:27.657-07:002010-07-08T16:33:27.657-07:00Yes, that's exactly what I mean.
Maybe you do...Yes, that's exactly what I mean.<br /><br />Maybe you do need to stop reading this comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-29010119109850127952010-07-08T16:07:10.292-07:002010-07-08T16:07:10.292-07:00Plaza blah blah, perhaps you missed the fireman...Plaza blah blah, perhaps you missed the fireman's rousing speech inspiring us all to march together to save the parking lot like our ancestors did and show mommy who's the chief. It was something like that, I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-84913749682774161862010-07-08T15:50:54.160-07:002010-07-08T15:50:54.160-07:00Hang on a minute, @2:28. If this plaza - for which...Hang on a minute, @2:28. If this plaza - for which money has already been allocated - gets shouted down, you think you will see "all sides contributing time and money" to try to buy a multi-million dollar parking lot? Am I reading that correctly? <br /><br />I need to stop reading these comments.Plaza blah blahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-53497304250872630222010-07-08T14:28:10.726-07:002010-07-08T14:28:10.726-07:00@anon 1:46:
Here's what we will see when the ...@anon 1:46:<br /><br />Here's what we will see when the plaza does not happen. First off, we won't see your inflammatory diatribe describing noisy intersections, etc.<br /><br />What we will see, as a possibility, is a long term study as to how to purchase the parking lot owned by St. Phillips and turned into a permanent public plaza, with all sides contributing time and money to this cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-70411348839910240462010-07-08T13:53:41.620-07:002010-07-08T13:53:41.620-07:00@1:46
Your quiet voice of reason warms my heart.@1:46<br /><br />Your quiet voice of reason warms my heart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-40932054922058668902010-07-08T13:46:01.812-07:002010-07-08T13:46:01.812-07:00I too have been reading these posts, have read the...I too have been reading these posts, have read the information on both sides, not commented before, and support the idea of a trial plaza. <br /><br />I find the "No" on the Plaza voices really sad too.(July 7 4:38) It seems that residents in Noe Valley have given up the 234 year old principle of majority- rule democracy for decision making by whoever yells the loudest. <br /><br />Ironic, that in a city that prides itself on supporting the candidates and ideals of "change", and touts that it wants to be green and progressive, we can't get a "trial plaza" off the ground. A plaza that could be for all sorts of uses and essentially "free" public space. <br /><br />If the trial plaza doesn't happen will we see plaza opponents put their money where their mouths are, go to the next community meeting and get out their personal check books to help purchase the multi million dollar lot that currently holds the farmers market as an alternative to a free plaza?<br /><br />Or will we, as I suspect, watch the opponents to the Plaza just go back home to their car noise intersections, continue to do nothing for the community, and congratulate themselves on making sure nothing new was given a chance to be tried in the Noe Valley they remember from the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-32866051515732030222010-07-08T12:52:15.620-07:002010-07-08T12:52:15.620-07:00oh, come on! why would anyone feel sad? sounds rat...oh, come on! why would anyone feel sad? sounds rather judgmental to me.<br /><br />It's really just people expressing strong opinions about something they feel strong about, perhaps expressing it in a rather emotional way, but so what?<br /><br />Process and change never happened in this country, alone, by people speaking passively and without feeling. <br /><br />Talk to your therapist if you really feel sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com