tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post7745623187986539173..comments2024-02-03T06:01:53.090-08:00Comments on Noe Valley SF: Discuss: Electric Car Charging Station Causes Traffic ProblemsNoe Valley, SFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09996607013124379881noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-2026898836552100602012-02-07T15:37:02.860-08:002012-02-07T15:37:02.860-08:00It's true--we need more environmentally sound ...It's true--we need more environmentally sound options and EVs, hybrids, bikes and feet all are good ones. And, kudos to folks who are early adopters of new technology regardless of their economic status. We should keep in mind, though, that people adopt or don't adopt new technology for a wide variety of reasons.<br /><br />And, while parts of Noe Valley are, indeed, very walkable, we also have some very steep hills. Not everyone can walk up and down those hills easily to do their shopping in the valley.<br /><br />If this space were used with regularity, perhaps we wouldn't be having this discussion.<br /><br />But, the vast majority of the times I've gone by Walgreen's either on foot or in my car, the space is empty while cars are lined up in the street with their engines running and wasting fuel. They also are creating safety hazards for pedestrians, bicyclists and vehicles alike.<br /><br />Yes, it's only one spot out of hundreds, but it remains an underutilized resource due to the confusion and lack of a proactive management by Walgreens.<br /><br />I'm not suggesting we get rid of the spot. In fact, we probably should have more. But, let's manage the resource properly so that it's used as much as possible and doesn't create downstream problems.<br /><br />I believe that's not unreasonable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-51007989443578072222012-02-03T13:01:32.519-08:002012-02-03T13:01:32.519-08:00This is preposterous, first they take all the hitc...This is preposterous, first they take all the hitching posts out of the city, now they're installing electric car spots. What's next, taking away all land-based parking because of the flying cars? Insanity! Cities should never adapt to new technology, my carriage works just fine!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-78283427810485467432012-02-01T19:48:12.920-08:002012-02-01T19:48:12.920-08:00Golly, how are we supposed to wean the automobile ...Golly, how are we supposed to wean the automobile driving masses if all we do is give them free parking? What about bikes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-26323171560354632062012-02-01T07:31:18.042-08:002012-02-01T07:31:18.042-08:00As an example, if it wasn't for early adapters...As an example, if it wasn't for early adapters embracing the early versions of the automobile, we'd still be riding horses on dirt roads and dodging horseshit while on foot. Oh wait, we're still dodging horseshit here. These are not toys. It's progress. Right now we are paying money to big oil companies and countries that hate us. There's your rich and priviledged.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-52348125062504572172012-01-31T17:11:26.947-08:002012-01-31T17:11:26.947-08:00I think it's great that they have a designated...I think it's great that they have a designated electric vehicle parking spot BUT it should be made clear that this spot is open for non-electric cars to use when available. (I assumed that it was off-limits.) Sometimes there's a Whole Foods-style line of cars trying to get into this tiny parking lot, so it needs all the parking it can offer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-14791837236030875612012-01-31T13:52:23.997-08:002012-01-31T13:52:23.997-08:00Oh, yeah, folks dropping $35K on new high-status c...Oh, yeah, folks dropping $35K on new high-status cars that can't be used for a commute. How could I think they're privileged rich folks?<br /><br />Your average poverty-line person must be lining up for the chance to buy a Nissan Leaf. Because what's better than getting stuck on the side of the highway, unable to get your car restarted because the car's range was actually just 68 miles that day and AAA doesn't have an electric charge kit on their trucks?<br /><br />Pioneers, my ass. You just want everyone else to pay for your expensive high-tech rich-people toys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-26080724112315716922012-01-30T16:57:30.055-08:002012-01-30T16:57:30.055-08:00Just to clarify, the chargers at the Noe Valley an...Just to clarify, the chargers at the Noe Valley and Taraval Walgreens were not done under the auspices of the City and County of San Francisco. They were part of a nationwide project being carried out by 350.green and Walgreens. You can read about it here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/20/BUSD1LK72I.DTLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-20381653024055443692012-01-28T08:55:32.645-08:002012-01-28T08:55:32.645-08:00Thanks for pointing out the signage needs to be ch...Thanks for pointing out the signage needs to be changed. I thought the spot was reserved only for electric cars and it often (mostly) goes unused while the queing takes place on Castro. Since the public negotiated the right to use this space for one hour free no matter whether they are at Walgreens or not, it is a good thing that the signage be made clearer.<br /><br />I've never seen their parking attendant do anything to help move the cars in or out. That would be helpful too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-10551949983224778072012-01-28T08:30:33.546-08:002012-01-28T08:30:33.546-08:00I don't own an electric car but I don't co...I don't own an electric car but I don't consider a parking space for them to be charged for 1 hour to be for the privileged nor rich. These people are pioneers. There are average people who buy them too. I am happy to have them help us get away from using oil for a variety of reasons. Like all new technology - once/if proven, their cost will come down when sold in mass. The same for those who volunteer in drug trials, etc. This is how improvements are made for us all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-32481286614889440402012-01-27T22:59:32.102-08:002012-01-27T22:59:32.102-08:00I believe this may actually be part of an initiati...I believe this may actually be part of an initiative on Walgreens part. A number of large retailers are installing charging stations nationwide.<br /><br />http://www.walgreens.com/topic/sr/sr_electric_vehicle_charging_stations.jsp<br /> <br />There are some incentives;<br /><br />http://www.bomaoeb.org/education/boma-green-tips/item/137-incentives-for-electric-vehicle-charging-stationsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-46641450847752970972012-01-27T22:13:21.773-08:002012-01-27T22:13:21.773-08:00Yeah, because you know what San Francisco needs mo...Yeah, because you know what San Francisco needs more of? Subsidies and perks for privileged rich folks like you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6008050911800805999.post-90383160039307695532012-01-27T21:17:24.760-08:002012-01-27T21:17:24.760-08:00As the owner of an electric car, I find it relievi...As the owner of an electric car, I find it relieving and extremely useful to have the charging station at Walgreens. There are hundreds of other parking spots in Noe Valley, but only one EV charger. I don't remember such anger when ZipCars took one of the Walgreens lot spots. Lighten up and let us EV drivers have ONE charger in the neighborhood!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com